tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post145433261724733413..comments2023-07-01T00:22:54.261+09:30Comments on Berith Road: A Critique of Pete Cabrera’s View on Sickness and Healing Steven Coxheadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-2952910019297794762018-06-06T13:11:03.867+09:302018-06-06T13:11:03.867+09:30I'd like to add my video from a skeptic atheis...I'd like to add my video from a skeptic atheist perspective : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQYEa-xg3AIAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14484798670450255870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-47798918894491728562017-04-13T20:54:08.540+09:302017-04-13T20:54:08.540+09:30Besides Epaphroditus and Trophimus, there is also ...Besides Epaphroditus and Trophimus, there is also Job’s affliction, Timothy’s stomach, and Paul’s thorn. That’s about the five instances you can bring up if you don’t embrace faith healing. But I’m asking, what about the thousands who were healed by Jesus and the apostles? <br /><br />MAT.12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;<br /><br />ACT.5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.<br /> <br /> Why are we focusing on a few rare cases when from the multitudes everyone was healed? It happens when somebody doesn’t get healed, but it’s never because God is withholding. When the disciples couldn’t heal a boy, Jesus healed him right away. The healing was God’s will, because Jesus did it, yet the disciples couldn’t get it done. Jesus even explained it later that they couldn’t do it because of their unbelief. And he got mad at them because of it, which means he was expecting them to heal the boy. Sometimes we just can’t get the will of God done, and this is why it’s not happening.<br /><br /> Healing is spiritual warfare, not some abracadabra. At one occasion, Jesus had to pray for someone twice:<br /><br />MAR.8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.<br />MAR.8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.<br />MAR.8:25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.<br /> <br />Jesus was God in the flesh. Why did it not work for him perfectly after the first time? Sometimes simply just virtue was coming out of him and whoever touched him got healed. Why was it easy sometimes and difficult at another? I don’t know. But if Jesus had to try two times at one occasion, let’s just accept that Paul left a person or two sick. Scripture never says, he wanted them sick. Perhaps he tried and he couldn’t. There are some logistics to healing which we need to learn and practice, so let’s just accept that some people don’t get healed, and not because God wants them sick. <br /><br />László<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-5682038341066983222017-04-13T20:52:06.905+09:302017-04-13T20:52:06.905+09:30In reply to John D.
Prosperity doesn’t just mean ...In reply to John D.<br /><br />Prosperity doesn’t just mean having a lot of money. In fact I wouldn’t call that the primary meaning of the word. It can include money, but that’s not the main thing. Paul’s evangelistic work prospered tremendously. It’s basically because of him that Christianity spread entirely in the Roman Empire. I would call that prosperous. There is nothing wrong with prospering. In fact, this is what the Apostle John said:<br /><br />3.JOHN.1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.<br /><br />And King David:<br />PSA.1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.<br />PSA.1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.<br /><br />If you meditate on the word of God, you will prosper. <br /> <br />Paul writes of an example when one church helped another because they had plenty. There is nothing wrong with money if you know that it’s not for you to waste on your desires, but to give away and help:<br /><br />2Cor. 8:13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.<br />2Cor. 8:14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality,<br />2Cor. 8:15 as it is written: “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little.” [Exodus 16:18]<br /><br />Being imprisoned doesn’t have anything to do with prosperity. Persecution was promised by Jesus.<br /><br />MAR.10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,<br />MAR.10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.<br /><br />In fact he said it was a blessing: <br /> MAT.5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.<br /><br />Paul knew it full well that godliness draws persecution:<br />2TI.3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.<br /><br />You can suffer because you don’t apply some aspects of the word of God on your life, or you can suffer persecution for the gospel’s sake. There is a big difference between the two. In the first case because you don’t understand the word of God fully, in the second because you live godly. <br /><br />László<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-66147714129671345532017-03-04T05:22:00.018+09:302017-03-04T05:22:00.018+09:30If the "fruit" of life includes prosperi...If the "fruit" of life includes prosperity, how do you explain Paul's imprisonment? How do you explain the thousands in the Middle East who are being persecuted for Christ and under horrible incarceration? Do they lack faith? Health? How do you explain that Paul did not heal Epaphroditus and Trophimus?John Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-29236988257060824422016-12-29T22:54:52.617+09:302016-12-29T22:54:52.617+09:30Continued from previous comment:
As Paul continue...Continued from previous comment:<br /><br />As Paul continues, he’s very clear about the answer:<br /><br />ROM.8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.<br />ROM.8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.<br /><br />(This doesn’t refer to eternal life or eternal damnation. Paul has been describing the daily struggle of a person. Romans 7 provides the context)<br /> <br />If I am after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh and if I am carnally minded, then I will set the effects of death in motion. But if I am after the Spirit and I’m spiritually minded, then I will set the effects of life and peace in motion, and reap the fruits of them. It’s up to me what I’m after: the flesh or the Spirit. That’s what my free will is for.<br /> <br />And the fruit of life is this: salvation, health, sound mind, wisdom, happiness, victory, prosperity (not the distorted hyper-prosperity). Also, the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians, etc. You know those.<br /> <br />Sin is a law, but the actual act of sinning happens by people’s choice. If it happens by choice, it can also be reversed by choice. The law of the Spirit is warring against the law of sin, and one will override the other by me being carnally minded or spiritually minded.<br /><br /> László <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-17379199267841303562016-12-29T22:52:28.439+09:302016-12-29T22:52:28.439+09:30Hi Steven,
God does not allow sin and suffering. ...Hi Steven,<br /><br />God does not allow sin and suffering. God allowed Adam and Eve to decide if they will bring sin and suffering into the world.<br /><br /> ROM.5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:<br /><br /> That is a big difference. God doesn’t directly decide about every pain in your life. Suffering is a natural occurrence that resulted from Adam’s sin. It was necessary for God to offer the option of death, so men could possess absolute free will. If you don’t get the full scope of choice, it’s not really a choice. So, that was necessary for free will’s sake. But even then we can see the heart of God through this, because the instruction He gave was: DON’T DO IT! Don’t eat of the apple! Don’t get into trouble, it will hurt you in the long run! <br /><br />Sin and suffering entered the world by Adam and not by God. Death passes from one man to the next naturally and not by God’s individual orders. This has been set, it’s a law. Pain, suffering, sickness, depression, poverty, ruin and decay are all the natural results of sin and death.<br />There are laws laid down in this world that work for everybody all the time:<br /><br />MAT.5:45 “…for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust...” <br /><br />The storm comes both for the wise and the foolish (Mat. 7.)<br /><br /> One thing to know about laws is that one can override another. Like the law of gravity and the law of lift. The airplane doesn’t fly because the law of gravity doesn’t work anymore, but because the law of lift under the right circumstances overrides it. The laws don’t change, they’re constant. It was man who had to figure out a way to use one against another! <br /><br />Paul writes about some laws he discovered:<br /><br /> ROM.7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.<br /><br /> Sin is a law. It works if I give it a landing strip in my life. It works automatically if I activate it. God doens’t allow it, I can create the circumstances and it just happens naturally. But as we see, these laws are at war with each other. And Paul also offers the victory: <br /><br />ROM.8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.<br /><br />It’s important to note that Jesus set the “law of the Spirit of life” in motion, and made it available for everyone. Again, it’s a law. It’s constant and unchanging. It works for everyone all the time if someone knows how to create the right circumstances. It’s not about God’s timing. It’s a law, it’s in motion. It’s about you figuring out how to work it and when. You time it. <br /><br />Paul puts it in past tense: “…hath made me free…” I’m always free from the law of sin and death, not just sometimes when God wills it. He has made me free with one act, at one point in time. It’s done as far as God’s concerned. It’s in motion. There is no timing, it always works. Could man always fly? No, but he could have. The law of gravity and the law of lift were always in motion. Man took time to figure it out. Why do we always have to point the finger at God and say that “God, we don’t have something because you haven’t sent it”? <br /><br />to be continued…<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-47568262949311384952016-12-18T06:33:33.519+09:302016-12-18T06:33:33.519+09:30To quote from this post: ”the man born blind was b...To quote from this post: ”the man born blind was born that way so that God’s power and glory might be revealed through him, and not because of his own sin or his parents’ sin (John 9:2–3). God often allows sickness and death to happen in order to create the conditions against which he then subsequently acts in order to display his energy and power.” <br /><br />Does Pete Cabrera acknowledge that God allows sin and suffering to happen in the world as the backdrop for salvation and healing in Jesus? If not, then Jesus is contradicting Pete, not me.Steven Coxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-87380674107054968382016-12-16T01:49:38.950+09:302016-12-16T01:49:38.950+09:30It appears and seems that in your summation of God...It appears and seems that in your summation of God being responsible for or the "cause of all things, including the bad things that happen in our world," you ignore the very words of Jesus in John 9 when asked:<br /><br />John 9:2,3<br />And his disciples asked him, saying, "Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?"<br /><br />Jesus answered, "Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."<br /><br />I am not contradicting your entire summary here of Mr. Cabrera. <br /><br />JESUS DOES OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-10677570645227891432016-10-04T02:13:52.663+09:302016-10-04T02:13:52.663+09:30Steven,
Pete Cabrera and Royal Family Internation...Steven,<br /><br />Pete Cabrera and Royal Family International will be in Queensland Australia in April-May 2017. Good oppourtunity to check it out in person.<br /><br />Blessings.<br /><br />http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=xx6lx6vab&oeidk=a07ed63ngnuf80e7a38<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-37047551460047558822016-06-06T23:47:54.728+09:302016-06-06T23:47:54.728+09:30Thanks for that, Jose.
Surely there is a place f...Thanks for that, Jose. <br /><br />Surely there is a place for critiquing everything against the teaching of Scripture. Jesus did a lot of healing, but it's not as if he didn't also spend time critiquing the views of others in the light of Scripture. Orthodoxy is just as important as orthopraxy.<br /><br />That's all that I've sought to do in this case, and I do so because it is important. The implication of Pete's view is that someone like Ryan who has a disability, or his parents or others who have "unsuccessfully" prayed for his healing, are lacking in faith. It could be argued that believing in God is easy if he's always healing you and blessing you. What then should we say of the faith of a young man who still believes in God's power and love despite the fact that he is confined (at present) to crawling around on the ground or using a wheelchair when he needs to move about? That's a real case of living by faith, not by sight (2 Cor 5:7) in my opinion. <br /><br />The issue is this: Christian triumphalism often comes across as lacking in compassion for the person who is suffering. Shouldn't we also be weeping with those who weep at least for a moment before preaching to them with a big smile on our face about how God can heal them? Because Pete views all suffering and sickness as solely the work of the devil, he doesn't seem to be able to acknowledge that God can be present with a person even within the midst of suffering. <br /><br />"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me."<br /><br />It's great being in green pastures beside still waters, but sometimes we have to walk through dark valleys to get there.<br /><br />God bless! <br /> Steven Coxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-849948501509819332016-06-06T12:43:39.283+09:302016-06-06T12:43:39.283+09:30Dear Steven,
I appreciate your desire to have dee...Dear Steven,<br /><br />I appreciate your desire to have deep Biblical insight. I finished an MDiv with honors and working towards a PhD in theology now; I know four languages for academic purposes, etc., (English is my third language). <br /><br />BUT, I got stroke with severe cancer six years ago, a specific type considered non-curable. It was on my blood, lymphatic system, bones, bone marrow, etc. I tried with the best medical science available in three continents, to no avail. Then the Lord healed me. Do I understand everything about it? No, but here is my point:<br /><br />I suspect you are right about God's timetable, but I also suspect you are (unintentionally) outside his timetable. I think the main thing in his timetable now is to bring health, not to produce illness and keep people in suffering. How do we spend most of our time? Arguing or healing the ones in pain? Does that reflect the Lord's timetable? I have had two near-death experiences and have suffered too much emotional and physical pain, for months, day and night. I wonder if instead of a lengthy argument against Pete's faulty theology, you could join what the Lord is doing around bringing freedom to the oppressed (whether in terms of pain, poverty due to ridiculous medical bills, etc.) My opinion, as someone who along many other millions have been severely ill, is that that would be much more appreciated and fruitful. <br /><br />Of course I am not perfect. Right now, as I am experiencing myself this liberation in my own body and life, as I keep doing my degree, I more and more heal others around. Less argumentation and more healing brokenness. I don't know God's specific will for you, but if you ever find yourself dying of a painful condition I guess, just my guess, you would understand my words better, or Pete's ministry for that matter. At that time you may give very little credit to your theological insight and wish someone in the power of the Risen Lord may heal you. Or maybe not, maybe you are different from I; I'm OK with that. I am just sharing from what happened to me and from what I have seen in some others.<br /><br />Blessings brother.<br /><br />Jose. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-32930858854194246242015-07-07T08:35:06.660+09:302015-07-07T08:35:06.660+09:30You people have spent a lot of time arguing Pete C...You people have spent a lot of time arguing Pete Cabrera Jr and no time healing others. Jesus healed me Thursday, Jesus. The same way Pete teaches.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12601314092004308173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-8803761958624462262015-01-21T22:42:06.732+09:302015-01-21T22:42:06.732+09:30Thanks,László!
The problem is that biological agi...Thanks,László!<br /><br />The problem is that biological aging over time results in the suboptimal functioning of most organisms, eventually leading to physical death. Therefore, healing in the ultimate sense of bringing individuals to their optimum biological functioning means that the biological aging process needs to be reversed and/or stopped. Surely God can and will (eventually) undo the negative effects of biological aging. This, I believe, is something that the atonement has also won for us.Steven Coxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-12025567987903370622015-01-16T08:05:27.784+09:302015-01-16T08:05:27.784+09:30To Lewis:
I saw you asked for a book suggestion on...To Lewis:<br />I saw you asked for a book suggestion on teaching kids to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit. An excellent book is: "Chidren and the Supernatural" by Jennifer Toledo. Published by Charisma House.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-9827968635174843372015-01-14T11:21:02.485+09:302015-01-14T11:21:02.485+09:30Laszlo
Thanks for you love and persistence. You ar...Laszlo<br />Thanks for you love and persistence. You are a son of God. True disciple of Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-46397443501879373612015-01-13T09:38:21.142+09:302015-01-13T09:38:21.142+09:30Now, there is one important aspect of the divine h...Now, there is one important aspect of the divine healing doctrine. Instant healings get a lot of attention because of their nature; people are obviously curious and that’s why we talk about it so much. But the main and more important aspect of this doctrine is not instant healing but rather walking in divine health. Getting sick and getting healed over and over are fine, but it’s much better not to get sick at all. Somebody laying hands on a sick person and commanding healing into their bodies is great, because everyone may need help once in a while. But the goal is that people learn from the Word of God how to get healing for themselves and how to KEEP THAT HEALING AFTERWARDS, AND EVENTUALLY WALK IN DIVINE HEALTH. <br /><br />There are plenty of Scriptures about prolonging life and being satisfied with long life, etc. Just to quote a couple:<br /><br /> <br />PRO.3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:<br />PRO.3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.<br /> <br />PRO.9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.<br />PRO.9:11 For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.<br /><br /><br />It even tells us the secret of prolonged life: live in harmony with God’s laws! The Word of God contains life in it: <br /><br />JOH.6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.<br /> <br />So, living according to and proclaiming the Word of God can lengthen one’s life. We might say that could slow down the natural aging process to a degree. <br /><br />László<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-26847845301382397002015-01-13T09:37:08.360+09:302015-01-13T09:37:08.360+09:30The biological aging process was not supposed to b...The biological aging process was not supposed to be stopped or reversed due to the healing aspect of the atonement.<br />As we know “it is appointed unto men once to die” (HEB.9:27). In my previous comment I explained that at the moment Adam and Eve sinned, they became spiritually dead, and alienated from God, and this state got passed on to their offspring.<br /><br />ROM.5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:<br /> <br /> Paul even puts it this way that an unsaved person is an enemy of God:<br /><br />ROM.5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.<br /><br /> So, basically at the fall men became separated from God. Now here comes this next passage:<br /><br />GEN.3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:<br />GEN.3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.<br />GEN.3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.<br /><br />What happens here practically is that God prevents men to live forever. I’m convinced it talks about their physical bodies here, since their spirit was already dead through sin. That could only revive again through the atonement which was only to manifest later in history. The tree of life was not going to redeem them from sin, only Jesus can do that. Essentially this is the point when God decides that the physical body has to die. I believe the Lord did this in His mercy toward humanity because He didn’t want men to live forever in their fallen state and never to be able to get rid of this sinful body. I believe this is the answer to your question, why healing doesn’t stop the aging process. There is something much more beautiful waiting for us in the afterlife and the Lord wanted us to participate in it, so I believe we actually die because of His mercy toward us. <br />I can honestly tell you, I don’t know if Adam and Eve’s bodies were going to live forever if they hadn’t sinned. But frankly that was not even an option really, because it was only a matter of time before they ate of the apple. God’s redemption plan through Jesus was foreordained. <br /> <br />2TI.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,<br /><br />1PE.1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,<br /> <br />After the Flood, life conditions have changed and gradually men lived shorter and shorter lives. As we read it in Psalms it settled around 80 years:<br /><br /><br />PSA.90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.<br /><br />to be continued…<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-38033307913995804222015-01-12T19:23:20.605+09:302015-01-12T19:23:20.605+09:30Thanks,László, for the time and effort put into yo...Thanks,László, for the time and effort put into your comments.<br /><br />Another question though, if I may: The access to healing that the atonement gives us now, does that also include slowing, stopping, or reversing the biological aging process? If not, then why not?Steven Coxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-39486795202941670382015-01-12T19:02:44.240+09:302015-01-12T19:02:44.240+09:30Oh, yes, he did eat:
LUK.24:39 Behold my hands an...Oh, yes, he did eat:<br /><br />LUK.24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.<br />LUK.24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.<br />LUK.24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?<br />LUK.24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.<br />LUK.24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.<br /> <br />László<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-43555113093317393562015-01-12T18:46:55.111+09:302015-01-12T18:46:55.111+09:30I didn’t want to make the last quote too long that...I didn’t want to make the last quote too long that’s why I left this part out, but I should have included it, so here it is:<br /><br /><br />1CO.15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.<br />1CO.15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.<br />1CO.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:<br />1CO.15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:<br />1CO.15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.<br />1CO.15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.<br />1CO.15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.<br /><br />So the finishing touch of our atonement is when we finally receive our spiritual body, which is going to be just like Jesus’ was after his resurrection. He was able to go through walls, be touched physically, and I think he may have eaten with his disciples as well (although I’m sure he didn’t need to). <br /><br /><br />JOH.20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.<br /><br />JOH.20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.<br /> <br /><br />JOH.21:12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.<br />JOH.21:13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.<br />JOH.21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.<br />JOH.21:15 So when they had dined,... <br /><br /><br /><br />László<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-52439988816071555882015-01-12T02:59:45.887+09:302015-01-12T02:59:45.887+09:30 Since we still live in a corruptible world, the d... Since we still live in a corruptible world, the devil can attack my soul with thoughts, feelings, mental diseases, and my body with sicknesses. But I have been given authority over the devil’s power, since the source of all authority lives inside of me, and I can command deliverance and healing both to myself and others. It’s my heritage and right through the atonement that I can use the power of the Kingdom of God for help. Jesus demonstrated the Kingdom of God by healing people and casting out devils. This is the same Kingdom that is within me and wants to take dominion and destroy the works of the devil just as it did through Jesus. That’s what I meant in one of my previous comments when I said that God wants to reap where He did not sow. God sowed the seed in me, but He wants to see results elsewhere also. I don’t have to wait for Heaven till I can obtain total freedom and deliverance from sickness and mental anguish. I am allowed to have a foretaste already, since the Kingdom of God is already within me. I was delivered from this world already, not just the hell of the next. <br /><br />GAL.1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:<br /><br />The perfection (fullness of healing – as you put it) will only come when I shed this earthly body, but I can already enjoy the benefits of the Kingdom AS MUCH AS MY FAITH ALLOWS ME. This is how the rest of the atonement is manifested in this earthly life. Paul explains the process of death very beautifully: <br /><br /><br />1CO.15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.<br />1CO.15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.<br />1CO.15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.<br />1CO.15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.<br />1CO.15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,<br />1CO.15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.<br />1CO.15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.<br />1CO.15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, THEN shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.<br /> <br />There is nothing wrong with dying physically, the next model to wear will be much better. I’m looking forward to it. As Paul put it, for him dying was gain. Healing is for as long as we live here on earth, so we can be happy, productive, and pain-free. But there comes a point in age, when a person just wants to go. They’re filled and satisfied with life, they feel they’ve accomplished what they could, and that’s when and how a Christian should go. But you know, it will be done unto you according to your faith! Life is a fight, and there is such a thing as the “fight of faith”. A number of God’s generals of faith have been taken out by the devil, I know. I’m not denying that it happens, but I don’t think we should lower out faith and expectation just because that’s what we see happen to many people. When I go, I will not go out without a fight! I’m not gonna give the devil the satisfaction of surrender. I’m not going to let him take out my body, I will surrender my spirit willingly to Jesus alone. I might be shooting for the stars, but at least I’ll hit the moon. But if you set your faith on “one day I’ll just get sick and die with tubes sticking out of my body on a hospital bed”, then sure enough this will happen to you. <br /><br /><br />László<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-18931971300561000392015-01-12T02:56:21.881+09:302015-01-12T02:56:21.881+09:30Hi Steven,
I understand that this boy’s healing is...Hi Steven,<br />I understand that this boy’s healing is a genuine need and I didn’t mean to come across judgmental, sorry for that. To me it seemed like your sincere intentions got a bit tainted by using this situation for a challenge. And also, I wouldn’t draw major conclusions about Pete Cabrera just from a short Facebook comment. But anyway, I don’t think we need to discuss this any further.<br /><br />One very important thing to understand before we get into the atonement, is that humans are a three part being. <br /><br />1TH.5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.<br /> So, we have a spirit, a soul, and a body. I think we all know what our body is. Our spirit is what God breathed in us so we can live. Our soul is our mind, our thoughts, our will, our emotions. The atonement dealt with all three of our being.<br /><br />The spirit: <br /><br />„But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities” (ISA.53:5)<br /><br /><br />The soul: <br /> <br /> “Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows” (ISA.53:4)<br /> „the chastisement of our peace was upon him” (ISA.53:5)<br /><br /> <br />The body:<br /><br />„and with his stripes we are healed” (ISA.53:5) <br /><br /><br /> <br />With the entrance of sin through Adam, our spirit died. That’s why God forgave our sins, so we can live again. The way God atoned for our spirit is that He simply became one with our human spirit through His Holy Spirit at the moment of rebirth.<br /><br />1CO.6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.<br /> <br />So basically, when we get born again, our spirit gets born again right at that moment. That part of the atonement gets done and finished right then. Our spirit will live forever from that point on. The atonement has provided life. I already have eternal life, not just when I get to Heaven. I’m already in the Kingdom of God, because the Kingdom is within me. <br /><br />LUK.17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.<br /> <br />A born again person is much different from anybody who has ever lived on Earth. Jesus said that from among all the prophets who lived, John the Baptist was the greatest, but even the smallest person in the Kingdom of God is greater than John the Baptist. How can that be? Because a born again person has the Kingdom of God inside of him, and nobody before was able to possess that. So, my spirit has become one with the Lord’s spirit; that’s taken care of. <br /><br />Because the Kingdom of God is within me, I can exercise dominion over the other two parts of my being: my soul and my body. It’s my job to renew my mind and bring my will in alignment with the Word of God: <br />ROM.12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.<br /><br />The devil can’t touch my spirit anymore, because it’s sealed:<br /><br />EPH.1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,<br /><br />to be continued...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-83412333448487474962015-01-11T18:54:09.169+09:302015-01-11T18:54:09.169+09:30www.jamn4god.org
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?l...www.jamn4god.org<br />http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdNjd8oA-g2e0uJS5xsJQkDovZ5BoJPCYMelissa SoBlessed Gloriosohttp://www.jamn4god.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-31746834561061393132015-01-11T18:53:40.657+09:302015-01-11T18:53:40.657+09:30Thanks, Laszlo, but this is a genuine case of need...Thanks, Laszlo, but this is a genuine case of need. I'm not asking for a sign. I'm asking that a young, disabled boy might be healed. I'm very disappointed in the way that Pete Cabrera has treated this boy and his parents. <br /><br />Also, a theological question: How does God's will for universal healing fit in with the fact that "people are destined to die" (Heb 9:27)? The atonement doesn't just bring healing. It also brings life. Yet hasn't God destined (i.e., willed) that most people will physically die one day? How do you reconcile these things? Why do Christians still die if the fullness of healing is already ours? Steven Coxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798792943613130505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1811264108457143000.post-34649620760960241172015-01-11T09:21:32.795+09:302015-01-11T09:21:32.795+09:30to continue:
I know that there have been excesses...to continue:<br /><br />I know that there have been excesses with the “health and wealth” gospel, but you can’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Healing is part of the atonement, so it’s always God’s will to heal, and the sooner the better. It’s up to us to enforce it. We’re allowed to do it because God has already decided to heal by including it in the atonement. The atonement is constant and unconditional for everyone, all the time. The ones who don’t partake in it are the ones who don’t want it, or just simply can’t believe it. The gospel doesn’t just mean “good news”. It’s the “too good to be true news”! That’s why many struggle with it. <br /><br />László<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com