Saturday, January 10, 2015

Pete Cabrera Jr: A False Prophet?

Here is a screenshot of a Facebook discussion involving me and Pete Cabrera Jr earlier today. It emerged as a result of an article by me entitled “A Critique of Pete Cabrera’s View on Sickness and Healing.” The screenshot was taken just in case Pete decides to delete the discussion (which it looks like he already has).

Pete claims that he has the authority of Christ to be able to heal people. I genuinely asked Pete to perform a long-distance healing for a disabled boy I know, called Ryan, on analogy with what Jesus did for the official’s son in John 4:43–54. In the end Pete claimed that the Holy Spirit told him that I was playing games, and that my story “doesn't hold water.”

For those of you who know Ryan—a number of my readers do—what should we conclude? Is Ryan and his condition fake? If the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, then sadly I really do wonder what spirit Pete has been in communication with.

57 comments:

Milton/Elizabeth said...

Steven have you ever laid your hands on someone for God to heal them and they were actually healed?

Milton

Steven Coxhead said...

Yes, I've laid hands on people while praying, and some of them have gotten better.

But the biggest miracle I've been involved in is praying that the Holy Spirit would help me find a boy who had been lost in the city of Sydney (a city of 4.5 million people) as a result of sleep walking for three days without absolutely any clue at all as to where he might be. I found him together with the youth leader of our church, hungry and dazed, near the Sydney Opera House, 23 km away from home. The police found it hard to believe that we found him before they did.

So please don't think that I have no experience with or belief in the power of God (if that's what you were wondering).

Steven Coxhead said...

Where's Pete's post? Why has he deleted it? Is he trying to hide something or what?

Milton said...

Nice play on words. The question was healed. Not better. I can rub your head when you have a headache and you can feel better but the headache has not gone. So, again I ask, have you prayed while laying on hands and they have been healed?

Milton

Steven Coxhead said...

Cut me some slack, please. There was no play on words. Both gotten better and gotten totally better. If the latter is your definition of healed, then, yes. But then there can be others where nothing happens, at least immediately. Why do you need to know?

Milton said...

Steven,
your answer to my last question doesn't matter. For I have learned and I long to share with many that Arguing with your likes is futile. But what do I mean by your likes.

You are a reformist. Your father is John Calvin. Not God. You are a reformist. You have a form of godliness but deny/lack His power. You are a Polemist. All you love to do is argue.

I'll keep it short, to prove that you have wasted Pete's time and everyone else's time on your blog, of which we would have never known had Pete not shared it with us. I don't know him personally but I hope to one day if God will's, maybe it can be God's Decretive will...lol

Scripture says you shall know them by their fruit. Everyone who knows Pete or follows him SEES his fruit. See galatians 5 as well, those fruits are nice.

You on the other hand have failed miserably and I feel sorry for your students. You teach Theology, He teaches faith. You teach reformism and think you have God figured out, he teaches others to walk in the authority God has given us and to confide in Him completely. You want to walk in perfect theology. How sad. Do you not think we are lead by God's Spirit? It is clear you never are. Trust me, your not.

Lastly, the most common factor of all reformists such as yourself is YOU DO NOT LOVE! Therefore it can be concluded from your blog and the drama you are adding fire to is that you do not know God and you are a liar. I'm sure you know the scriptures I am referring to. How can you love God when you can't love the brother you see.

You rush to blog that he is a False Prophet. I guess you couldn't see the fruit. You are no different than the world asking him to perform a miracle for you. You are no different than the world...laughable and it makes all of your theological education null and void. I leave you with this, Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away...as do I

*drops mic*

Steven Coxhead said...

You seem to think, Milton, that you know me quite well. All I can say is that God will judge all of us in regard to this issue. I am happy to wait to that day for vindication.

When Pete personally tells me that what I said about the disabled boy, Ryan, isn't true, what else can I conclude? Honestly, what else can I conclude? Even Pete's disciple over here personally knows Ryan, and I'm going to tell him tomorrow what Pete said, and how disappointed I am in him.

Steven Coxhead said...

I ask Pete for help to heal a disabled boy. A genuine cry for help. Pete dismisses that cry as a fraud, and you say that I'm lacking in love?

As I say, God will judge what you have said about me in that recent comment.

Steven Coxhead said...

As far as I can tell, Pete's deleted his post with all its comments. He's also blocked me from his Facebook page.

I went to Pete genuinely asking for healing for a young, needy boy, and Pete blocks communication after saying the boy's story is fake.

What's he hiding from? The truth?



Anonymous said...

Steve,

You are basically asking God, Heal this young boy and Telling God if you are not healing you are fake..

Steve, I never done miracle before attending Healing school of Pete.. I see many miracles when i lay hands.. Also i have seen not manifesting of healing. Why.. i dont know.. God who heals. God has to say what i am lacking..

You are basically dont have any faith in God.. Just you are teaching.. I feel sorrow for your students.. You just want to prove you are smart like any other pharisees.

Have fun brother..




Steven Coxhead said...

So, Anonymous, you know my heart, do you? You seem pretty sure that I don't have faith in God. That's an awfully big statement to make.

Once again I feel a distinct lack of compassion.

I have a bigger problem with Pete now than his unbalanced teaching. In the name of the Holy Spirit he has proclaimed that Ryan's story is fake.

Please tell me what I should do if you were in my situation. If Pete told you that the Holy Spirit told him that a disabled boy you know personally is a fake, what would you conclude about Pete?

Test the spirits, brother, and please show a bit of compassion to a disabled boy and his parents.

Anonymous said...

Steven why you keep accusing Pete of something that he did not say? He never said that Ryan and his condition is fake. Please stop this.

Ming said...

Milton:

I admire your love and respect for your mentor Pete.

I can tell you for sure that Ryan exist and that Steven's story does check out.

Before you or Pete level any accusations I recommend that you check the facts...

I'd also encourage you brother to have a read & reflect on Ephesians 4:22-25

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Walk in the spirit man =)


Steven Coxhead said...

To Anonymous:

Have you actually looked at the screenshot of Pete's comment? "Holy Spirit said he is not where he says he is," and then Pete concludes "your story doesn't hold water ... I don't play games."

Pete said that the Holy Spirit told him that I wasn't where I claimed to be, namely, in Australia in close vicinity to Ryan. And then he said what I told him about Ryan "doesn't hold water."

Both of those assertions are totally untrue, as hundreds of people who know me and Ryan over here can vouch for.

It's right for me to call Pete out on this one. Telling lies in the name of the Spirit of God just isn't on, and it's right for me to warn people to beware of him. Pete actually needs to repent in relation to those comments. He's on very dangerous ground spiritually if he's trying to make his own thoughts sound spiritual by saying to others that the Holy Spirit told him that. Our thoughts aren't God's thoughts (Isa 55:8).

Ming said...

Anonymous:


The word's in the screenshot above

"Sorry I don't' have anyone with RFI in Australia… Holy Sprit said he is not where he says he is. ask him to do this and he will give you an excuse. Someone desperate for prayer like you claim would use every from possible to reach out for prayer. Sorry your story doesn't hold water. I'm done. Love everyone but I don't pal games. God Bless"

I'm not sure what Pete Jr is meaning, can you be the voice of reason and clarify it for me...

Thanks & Shalom

My thoughts are if some one was that desperate for prayer we should pray for them right... After-all

James 4:21 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Matthew 5:44 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Shalom

Ming said...

Anonymous:

Even if Pete believed what he said he is true... I'd hardly called it loving don't you think?

Steven Coxhead said...

When I asked Pete to pray for Ryan, he basically said, "Why don't you pray for him?" Then he said, "I'll pay for you to come over here to America, and I'll train you to heal people, so that you can go back and heal Ryan." Then after I couldn't produce a photo of Ryan (because his mum didn't want me to send Pete one because of the trauma that she's gone through with previous experiences of faith healers who talk power but who have failed to bring healing to Ryan), Pete then claimed in the name of the Holy Spirit that this situation was fake.

Contrast that to Jesus. Did Jesus make people jump through hoops before being willing to pray for them? Did Jesus write off genuine cases of need as fakes? No, Jesus typically healed people straight away; and distance was no issue. Pete says he can heal like Jesus. Well, he hasn't proven it in this case, and he's treated Ryan and his parents with contempt. That doesn't sound very Christlike to me.

Anonymous said...

Steven, I remember you saying that you were together with Ryan at that time, while talking to Pete and others on facebook. Being next to him vs. in a close vicinity is not the same, don't get it twisted now. That's why Pete said that you were not where you said you were. Pete was willing to help you and Ryan from the beginning, and again, he did not assert that Ryan and his condition to be fake. It was only due to your own skepticism and theology that he stopped the discussion.

Steven Coxhead said...

Have to laugh at that latest comment. It's interesting how you like to read in between the lines where there's nothing to read.

So being in the same room with him doesn't count as being in close proximity to Ryan?

It wasn't due to my skepticism that Pete stopped the discussion. It was (as Pete said at the time, as captured in the screenshot above) because he was convinced in his own mind that the Holy Spirit told him that my request on Ryan's behalf was bogus.

Telling untruths in the name of God's Spirit simply isn't right.

Why also has Pete banned me from his Facebook page and cut off all discussion? That isn't how Christians should treat each other.

Why doesn't he want to pray for Ryan's healing? This is a great chance for Pete to show me (and many others who know Ryan) that his method of praying for healing is the real deal and not just empty rhetoric, not to mention the massive difference that it would make to the lives of Ryan and his parents.

Ming said...

Anonymous

Totally agree that close proximity and next to him isn't the same.

Not only are you being evasive in regards to my questions... but I think your straw man argument is in need for more hay.

don't you think

Ming said...

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http://kansascity.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=hay&sort=rel

Steven Coxhead said...

Dictionary definition:

vicinity = "the state of being near in space or relationship"

Near in space and near in relationship. I win on both counts, and Pete (sad to say) has his wires crossed.

Anonymous said...

Steven, Did you really go into Pete Cabrera jr face book to ask for healing or to challenge him?

I know of two types of people who ask questions about truths from the bible. The first - genuine sincere people who hungry to know more about the truth and want to know what revelation the other party have and to apply to themselves. The second - people who pretends to ask but not there to seek the truth or help they said they are after. But already have an answer in their own mind. Yhe second just want to go in and destroy and tear others down.

I have a good idea which one you are - based on your previous article about Peter.

But Iam not going to judge you. You know what type you are and God also knows. You fool others but not yourself or God.

Repent, confess your sins to one another and it shall be forgiven.

John warned us to not blasphem the Holy Spirit - it is an unforgivable sin.

Steven Coxhead said...

It's not a case of either-or. Ryan has a genuine need, and I wanted to see if Pete could help with that. At the same time it was an opportunity for Pete to show his ability to harness God's power. He teaches that it is relatively easy (if you use the right method) to perform miracles, so it should have been a relatively easy challenge for him to accept.

Just because I have trouble from a biblical point of view with elements of his teaching is not to say that I don't believe in the possibility of miracles and healing, or that my request for Pete to pray for Ryan wasn't genuine. I desperately long for Ryan to be able to walk and to be able to control his functions like the rest of us.

My main problem with Pete's teaching in the video in question is his simplistic dualism, that everything good comes from God, and everything bad comes from Satan. Satan can't do anything that God doesn't allow him to do. Pete's dualism is against the teaching of the Bible at that point. It gives too much power to Satan, and devalues the authority of God as a result. Because he made his teaching public via YouTube, I have the right to comment publicly about it, which I did through my blog.

It's not a matter of tearing him down. My interest is in carefully following the teaching of the Bible in all matters. Out of respect for God, I desire to respect his word in the Bible, and I sought to critique Pete's theology of healing along those lines.

I'm also glad that you've said that you don't want to judge me, because I get the impression that you don't really know me as well as you think you do.

Furthermore, I haven't made any claims about God's Spirit, except that he is the Spirit of truth, and therefore that it couldn't have been the Spirit of God that Pete was listening to when he said that I wasn't where I claimed to be, and that Ryan's situation wasn't true. It is also right for me to ask the question whether or not Pete is a false prophet, because he was publicly telling a number of untruths in the name of the Holy Spirit. He needs to repent of that, and make sure he doesn't take such liberties again in relation to Ryan or anyone else for that matter, for their benefit as well as his own.

Anonymous said...

Steven, so you have trouble with Pete's teaching and his claim that he could heal in the name of Jesus (have you personally check out his healing documentation on youtube). He has fruits that look like Jesus and he brings glory to God.

You obviously is the second type of people in for an argument and yet you have been crying out that Pete was not loving etc because Holy Spirit reveal to him that "you are not where you are" ie, spritually.

Ok, Ryan situation may be real because other people know him. But you did not come to him with 100% honesty. You said he has a disciple in Australia - but he did not trained anyone in Sydney. He ask you for a picture of Ryan - you would not produce a picture. This doesn't sound like a genuine request for healing.

so you are double minded, sounded like you lied to Pete and everybody else that is reading your blog and a master of manipulation and a master of twisting peoples words. Like Milton said a polemist. Master of disguise. Wolf in sheeps clothing.

I believe there are many who follow your blog will see straight pass your deceitfulness and see you for who you really is. "Not where you claim you are"

The teachers of the law claims Jesus' s work as from the devil. Jesus told them plainly that they are from Santan. The devils plans are always the same - killing babies in Moses time and in Jesus time. Like the Jewish leaders accussing Jesus as from the devil. The Christian teachers are now accussing the works of the Holy Spirit as from the devil. That is why Jesus warm people do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit. It will lead to death.

Ming said...

Double minded... Anonymous... really??????

Quote 1 from you

But Iam not going to judge you. You know what type you are and God also knows. You fool others but not yourself or God.


Accusation 1 from you

You obviously is the second type of people in for an argument and yet you have been crying out that Pete was not loving etc because Holy Spirit reveal to him that "you are not where you are" ie, spritually.


Accusation 2 & 3 from you

so you are double minded, sounded like you lied to Pete and everybody else that is reading your blog and a master of manipulation and a master of twisting peoples words. Like Milton said a polemist. Master of disguise. Wolf in sheeps clothing.

Ming said...

Pete's words

Holy Spirit said he is not where he says he is ask him to do this and he will give you an excuse


Truth of the matter

Is the Ryan story is real Anonymous.

So who got the wrong message? Was it The Holy Spirit or was it Pete?


Anonymous...on a personal note

You seem to be a good person with a good heart that's something to be respected at the end of the day... in this instance Pete got it wrong....

I'm going to pray that you keep your eyes on Jesus and that you grow closer to him. That you may find your sufficiency and fullness in Jesus and not in any gift or in any man

I'd like to encourage you with these words.

Hebrews 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Anonymous said...

Ming, my understanding of Pete's response was that Steve's intention was not what he said - come for healing. Holy Spirit revealed to him that there is a bigger agenda where Steve is coming from. So as others and myself have tried to point out. Pete is not saying Ryans condition did not exist or the physical location of Steve is not where he claims. That is not what Pete is saying. I believe the Holy Spirit sees the heart of people and have revealed it.

You are right in saying that we should not judge and I do not judge people whether they are going to heaven or hell. Only Jesus can do that. But we are called to correct and rebuke our brothers in love who wonders away from the truth.

My heart is with yours and don't want to see anyone perish. Jesus wants everyone to be saved - but not everyone will be saved because of our choices -free will.

I am simply pointing out the facts and call for repentance those that need to repent.

Our calling in this world is to become like him (Jesus). God had completed His plan of salvation through Jesus. It is up to us to respond and be transformed to His image. Yes only when God draws him. Jesus had already came to draw all to himself - he had sent the Holy Spirit also. We have no excuse if we don't respond by coming to him. Born again - repent, be baptished into Jesus on your own faith and die with Christ (old man dies) then receive the Holy Spirit. Put on the nature of God and go make diaciples of Jesus.

I am done here.

May the Holy Spirit guild and lead us into all truths. Walk in power and love. 1 Corith 4:20. Blessings.

Steven Coxhead said...

Let me give Anonymous a bit of background. The reason I wrote the blog post critiquing Pete Cabrera's theology of healing in the first place was because there are two members in the church that I work at who are followers of Pete Cabrera. Pete may not have met them or trained them personally, but they have studied Pete's videos, and have accepted his teaching. They also know Ryan, and have been praying for Ryan's healing for over three years. Over that period of time, despite their prayers and the prayers of others, Ryan's condition has gotten worse, not better. Ryan had to be operated on last year, and the doctors have talked about another operation or two for him again this year.


These followers of Pete, who are friends of mine, had previously encouraged me to bring Ryan's situation to Pete's attention. I endeavored to do this last Saturday, but Pete rejected my request for him to pray for Ryan.

I have many photos of Ryan, and could easily send one to Pete. His mother, however, was uncomfortable with that. She doesn't want her son to be treated like some kind of weird object. She has had other faith healers make claims that they could heal Ryan, but none has been able to do so. So she's tired with a lot of this stuff. Her hopes have been lifted up only to be smashed against the rocks many times. I understand the way that she feels, and I respect her opinion. If Pete has to have a visual image of someone in front of him before he prays for them, I guess that's up to him, but I note that Jesus didn't have that constraint.

After Pete said what he said about myself and Ryan the other day, I felt the need to share what had happened with these two followers of Pete's. They were very sad to hear what had happened. One of them in particular shed tears on hearing of my disappointment and anger at Pete's absurd statement that the Holy Spirit had told him that my story about Ryan was untrue. They encouraged me to stay strong, and to keep looking to God.

That's a bit of background for Anonymous's sake. It's generally a good idea to know the full story before making outlandish statements about another person's character or spiritual state before God.

Despite differences with the two followers of Pete in my church in regards to certain aspects of what Pete teaches, I have always encouraged those two people to keep on praying for Ryan and others in need. I realize that God can still work through people who may have a defective theology of healing in certain regards. It is with that kind of attitude that I approached Pete the other day. It was also an opportunity for Pete to show me and others that he can actually do what Jesus did in performing a long-distance miracle. In that regard he has failed miserably, and I remain deeply disappointed in the way that he handled the situation.

So Pete, just a word of advice: Next time, make sure you know the facts before attempting to speak on behalf of the Holy Spirit. That also applies to Anonymous too.








Anonymous said...

Ming,

Mark 16 ... signs and wonders FOLLOW the believers .... We don't go chasing after signs and wonders.

If you are a believer then these signs should follow you. (Not my words, it is Jesus words in Mark 16).

Oh ... if this is not your reality then (1) you can say that this part of Mark 16 should not be in the bible and just cut it out of your life ... well the problem is that it is in the bible! and in RED letters! ... or (2) find out why you are not seeing these signs and wonders and get closer to Jesus and ask him for revelation - which is what Pete is trying to show and teach.

Not just Pete but many others are walking in this power and love of the kingdom of God. In Spirit and in truth! belief like a little child! Be a disciple of Jesus. FAITH = OBEDIENCE! Obey Jesus's words and just go out and do it. Heal the sick and tell them that the kingdom of God is here!

Check out youtube on "Street healing". See for yourself.

Learn from people who walk in this truth, see what they say and check it against God's word (the bible). Don't just take everything that clever people teach with lots of words but lacks power. (1 Corith 4:20). It will set you free from the Religious Spirit - a stronghold of the devil.

Zom Billy said...

I've been trying to find out if this guy is fake i've been watching his videos for about a year now. I always felt iffy about him, like something was off. I tried talking to him on his facebook a while ago telling him i have very bad eye sight. I would like to be healed of that. And how can i do that, he never replied for months i waited and waited. I was getting kind of frustrated because he was posting things and he was talking to people on his timeline. So i was thinking why not write back to me? I found this video about him and some others that follow him and do the same things as him. Its very informative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OOUonaj-Ts

Robin said...


Anonymous said...

John warned us to not blasphem the Holy Spirit - it is an unforgivable sin

But, if someone says the Holy Spirit told them something that He really did not tell them, wouldn't that constitute blasphemy?
I do not know anything about Pete, and I am not trying to judge him, but I do know that when a true man of God is asked to pray for someone, he SHOULD do it. Its not man's job to judge. If Pete is truly a man of God then he should not have worried about whether or not the request was legitimate. He should have prayed for him anyway and allowed God to take it from there. Pete said he does not play games...since when has asking for prayer been considered a game??

Steven Coxhead said...

Thanks, Robin. I agree with your sentiment.

In the end, God will judge Pete as he will all of us; but this was my genuine experience interacting with Pete, so I think it's important that others know that this is what happened. At least it may help some to be a little forewarned.

Robin said...

You're welcome Steven. I went to youtube and viewed several of Pete's videos and I am very concerned. After what I heard and saw, I do not believe Pete knows God at all. I think that any Christian who truly has God's Holy Spirit living in them should be able to see Pete for what he truly is. In his prayers he actually "commands" things from God. He also states, "We" came to heal you. "We" will heal you. God heals "through" people with prayer and the name of Jesus but people do not have the power to heal people. In one video, he addresses a whole group of people who had crowded around a witch doctor in search of healing. Pete tells them to raise their hands if they want blessings from God...not salvation...but blessings. Not once did he tell them who Jesus is, nor did he ask if anyone wanted to be saved. Then he proceeded to command God to bless them with money, jobs etc. It seems as though, when he uses the precious name of Jesus, it is lip service only and not because he has Jesus in his heart. He seems to be seeking after glory for himself, not for God. What really concerns me is that he is deceiving people who truly seem to want to do the Lord's work. They refuse to listen to any other Christian who tries to show them the deception he is feeding them. They vehemently defend him as if he were Jesus Himself. They accuse us of judging Pete when we are really just sheep trying to warn other sheep that a wolf is in their midst. They seem to be putting their trust in Pete instead of God. Therefore when Pete falls, (and he will fall) they will fall with him because, sadly, they are trusting him more than they're trusting God and His Word. He is also deceiving unsaved people by teaching them to seek after God's blessings instead of His salvation. I stand by what I said earlier...if Pete were truly a man of God, he would have prayed for your friend and let the one true God decide whether or not your request was legitimate. He would have let God be God and he would have been what he is "supposed" to be...God's humble servant. I truly believe that it was the Holy Spirit that led you to bring this out. I'm sorry for all the attacks you've had to endure from those who follow Pete's teachings. But then I guess that is just another way that you can know you are on the right track. I think you've handled all of it beautifully and gracefully.

Steven Coxhead said...

Thanks, Robin, for your understanding, and for your words of encouragement.

To be honest, some of my friends wondered why I hadn't deleted the comments that were making wild accusations about my character and relationship with God, but I have nothing to hide in relation to this issue. God knows my heart and the truth of the situation, and leaving the record of this interaction online can hopefully allow others to make up their own minds in relation to this issue.

Many blessings in the Lord!

Christopher Moyer said...

I too have been watching many of Pete Cabrera videos on you tube, and although I was skeptical at first I am now quite certain that healings are taking place. The nearly blind man who after prayer could see how many fingers people were holding up from far away, the atheist whose legs grew out and in without Pete even touching them, the testimony of Tom loud who was a pastor who was quite skeptical of Pete until he actually spent several weeks with him and learned how to perform healings like Pete. This couldn't have all been one big setup to stoke Pete's ego. I think perhaps after Ryan's image was not produced Pete may have mistakenly thought the prayer request wasn't genuine. I think people who are genuinely walking with the holy spirit can still be deceived as to what the spirit is telling them. No one is perfect and we Christians are just as capable of erring in judgment as non Christian, although the more in tune we are with Christ the better will be out judgments. I think jumping to the conclusion that Pete is a false prophet is a big time overreaction. Maybe Pete has never done a healing from a distance and felt it was beyond his capabilities, so he found a way to justify his not praying for Ryan. I'm not saying that what Pete did was right, but I think a bit of grace is called for here. Pete never claimed to be perfect. And he did offer to even pay Steve's way to attend the healing seminar so he could pray for Ryan himself. Maybe Pete felt if Steven wasn't even open to a free pass to learn all about healing, he really wasn't seeking after the good gifts of God. I would say this- yes Steve it is good to be skeptical, but if Pete is willing to pay for you to fly out to royal family and learn about how you can heal yourself, you should take him up on his offer. Then you will know for certain whether Pete is the real deal or just like all the rest of those greedy faith healers, just faking miracles so they can line their bank accounts. I don't believe Pete is after money fame or glory. I truly believe Gods glory is all he is concerned with. Call Pete back. Apologize for calling him a false prophet. Reiterate that you truly want Ryan to be healed, and you are so willing to see him healed that you will take Pete up on his offer, if it still stands, to receive a free trip to royal family international where you can learn firsthand how to do healings and to walk in kingdom power. I would leap at the chance. Steve if you do decide to go, let us all know how it goes and the signs and wonders you see while there.

ronald marabod said...

Sir Christopher Moyer, I believe your comments is sound and speaks humility. I believe clarifying things will really help us and fix the things that was destroyed due to miscommunication or the like. I believe this is a humbling move that will really have a good result. May we all walk in the fruits of the holy spirit and be humble as Christ our Lord is a true image of humility. He humbled himself for the sake of us. May we continue to walk in love for the saints.

Kimberly Caldwell said...

You...HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD Robin!!!

Michael Cain said...

He seems like a phony to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDEPNopQiuk

Maurice Kande said...

Pathetic...you were playing games and planning on criticizing him from the very beginning...pathetic how christians love to tear each other...

Brittany Skelton said...

Hey I have a question. Why do you think Ryan had not been healed yet?

Steven Coxhead said...

I believe that God will heal Ryan. It's just that God has his own timetable for things. In the meantime, I'll keep on praying for him.

lukasjedi said...

Why not asked or quest Ryan himself,if he want to be pray by Pete or not....?
Cause it's his future (NOT His parent's) ,Pls,COMMENT DO NOTHING to him....Take him to Peter if he wants that .....

Steven Coxhead said...

Given that Ryan is in Australia and requires a wheelchair to get around, and that Pete is in America, Pete was just asked to pray for Ryan to heal him. Pete was asked to do this following the example of Jesus, who didn't have to be next to people to heal them. Jesus could just speak the word, and people were healed despite them being many miles away (see John 4:43-54). That's all we were asking Pete to do, but claiming the Holy Spirit's guidance he declined to do so. Does Pete have to be standing next to people in order to heal them? Jesus didn't have that limitation.

Anonymous said...

He called out your games. He said he doesn't play games and he called you out. You writing this blog after trying to test the power of the Holy Spirit is further proof of the game you tried to play. This doesn't disprove Pete. It actually shows that he is rather discerning. Test not the Lord your God

Steven Coxhead said...

I'd just advise people like Anonymous to be careful what they say. The Lord knows the truth about this situation, and I'm sure he'll deal with it when and as he sees fit.

Meanwhile, Ryan is still in a wheelchair. Prayers for him and his family from compassionate brothers and sisters in the Lord are greatly appreciated.

Joe Lunchbucket said...

1 Corinthians chapter 12 and Galatians chapter 5 would be a good guide to discussions here.

I dont like to take isolated scriptures out of context, but prefer to read a full chapter for context and allow God to speak to me through His Word.
In love.

Anonymous said...

Even if Pete were in person in Australia and Ryan wouldn’t get out of the wheelchair, that still wouldn’t change the truth about what he’s preaching. It’s just this human mindset that’s the result of the fall of man, that is always pointing us to emphasize the negative. Well, what about the thousands who do get healed? I think we should praise the Lord for that! Let’s emphasize the positive! Pete Cabrera is not God manifested in the flesh. Jesus’ life is God manifested in the flesh! (And I’m not discussing whether Pete did the right thing or not) If I want to see the heart of God, I look at the life of Jesus. And Jesus told us (John 14) that we will do the same miracles He did, and even greater. If I don’t see that it’s because I missed the mark somewhere and it just spurs me on to be more like Jesus. My losses just make me want to fight all the harder to know Him more, so I can manifest God’s heart to the world even clearer.

A boy still in wheelchair does not define the heart and the will of God. The examples in the life of Jesus define truth and the will of God, and I will not allow my losses dictate what I believe about the workings of God. I will not let experience define truth. Experience can be a liar, but Jesus’ life is the truth manifested in the world. And if I don’t let the losses rock my mind, but rather I align my mind with the truth shown in Jesus’ life, my faith will shape the world to what it’s supposed to be. And if I see losses on the way, so be it. I’m not going to try to explain it away by some man-made theory, just because it sooths my conscientious and my troubled heart. It’s hard to preach victory when we see so much loss, I know that! But if we’re grounded in truth and in our identity as sons of God, this shouldn’t shake us! I don’t need a psychological Band-Aid on my mind. My mind is supposed to think like Jesus! I was mad in God’s image.

László

Anonymous said...

* made in God's image
László

Steven Coxhead said...

Definitely! Pray for healing and praise God for healing. I heartily agree with that. But we also owe a biblically valid explanation to people like Ryan who are still in a wheelchair despite many people praying for them to be healed.

Is believing in the hope of healing and victory in God's good timing while currently experiencing brokenness not also a valid perspective for those who find themselves currently in that position?

Anonymous said...

Hi Steven,

You and I have discussed this in length under your “Critique on Pete Cabrera” post already, so I don’t want to repeat myself. I know, the key issue between us is the application of the sovereignty of God. Do I have authority to heal all the time, or does God have to give a final approval all the time? I believe in the sovereignty of God absolutely, just a little bit differently. I believe that God sovereignly decided to give it into the hands of believers to heal whenever and wherever they want to. So, I’m not shortcutting God and taking matters in my own hand. My Father wants me to take responsibility and not point back the finger all the time anymore. It’s a way of growing us up - humanity at large I mean - instead of forever staying in the “servant” stage.

JOH.15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

GAL.4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
GAL.4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
GAL.4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
GAL.4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
GAL.4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
GAL.4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
GAL.4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Jesus proclaimed authority over all things and passed the baton to his followers before He ascended. From that point on, it’s always God’s good time to heal. He just can’t hold back. Jesus was beat beyond description for our healing. It’s a high price to pay. A lot of people never recover from a serious disease, and never see healing. Is this why Jesus got beat so severely, so He’d never see what He paid for? I don’t think so.

MAT.28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
MAT.28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
MAT.28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

“All power” meaning all authority in this case. The disciples and their followers were supposed to observe ALL things that Jesus ever commanded them. Like, heal the sick, cast out devils, raise the dead, etc.

If you’re not certain of God’s will, you can’t pray with confidence. How can you KNOW that we have the “petitions we desired of him”?
1JN.5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1JN.5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

If there is a promise in the Scripture, for us who are in Christ, is always a yes and so be it. It’s not a maybe so, maybe not, maybe later.

2CO.1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

What about the people who are claiming God’s healing promises for themselves, many others pray for them, yet they die? Were those healing promises not for them? For us a promise is always a yes. If we don’t see it manifest, it’s because we missed something somewhere. Most of the time it’s our minds that get in the way. You don’t see results and your mind starts reeling, you start coming up with explanations why, etc. Sure way of stopping faith. Trusting in God’s timing is good, but what if time runs out?

to be continued…
László

Anonymous said...

“Maybe He will this time, maybe He won’t” can’t possibly release faith for the thing you pray. No faith toward your object, no result. It’s a good thing to have faith in God’s providence and wisdom and care, but you have to decide to take use of those at one point. I had a personal case once, when I had a pinched nerve in my back and it was very painful to do a lot of things. I kept on praying for it and praying for it and I was sure that God in His good time will heal me some day. After several weeks when I got a little weary, I asked the Lord why I’m still not healed. He asked me back: what do you believe? I said I believe that You’re going to heal me some day. He answered: yes, that’s exactly what you’re getting. You will be healed some day. So, when are you taking your healing? That’s when I realized that it’s in my hand to take! I told the Lord: I’d better be healed now, because I’m bending down and touching my toes! (I could not possibly do that with the pinched nerve, I couldn’t even tie my shoes.) I bent down and wham, I was healed. I took a step of faith and got the result.

Back to Ryan, I don’t know the answer exactly. Sometimes you just have to push some spiritual hindrances out of the way, or give some time to the body to respond. It’s a fight, and the only thing you’re fighting is the sickness. God is cheering you on and you have His green light. He’s not holding back. The Kingdom of God is within you. You are the conduit of God’s power to the world. It will have to come out of you somehow.

Why did Jesus have to pray twice for the blind man? I don’t know. This case is very uncharacteristic for Him. Scripture only recorded it once.

MAR.8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
MAR.8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
MAR.8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
MAR.8:25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

Jesus was the express image of God according to Hebrews (Heb. 1:1-3). It was God in the flesh, praying twice for a blind man. I don’t have an explanation, but if Jesus could try twice, we can try many more times than that.

to be continued…
László

Anonymous said...

And a few things on brokenness. I think the tricky thing about this is that we equate it with humility. As in no brokenness, no humility. Like there is no other way to be humble before the Lord, but when we’re broken, and the Lord breaks us with sickness and stuff so we’d be humble. Again, we make doctrines out of experience. Just because most people never humble themselves before the Lord, only when they’re broken, that doesn’t mean that this is the way the Lord wants it. Can you find the Lord in brokenness? Sure. But it’s just a clear proof of your hard-headedness, that that’s what it took for you to be humble. The Lord would much rather have you humble because you love Him and not because you’re back’s against the wall and you have no choice but cry “uncle”.

PSA.32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

Can you draw near to the Lord through rough times? Yes. But then you’re like the horse and the mule in this verse that have no understanding. In all thy getting, get understanding – says Solomon. Why not get understanding through heeding the Word of God? The whole message of this verse is that “don’t be without understanding, and draw near to God on your own accord”. You can go the hard way, but why?

MAT.7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
MAT.7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
MAT.7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
MAT.7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Rough times will come, whether you like it or not. But your house doesn’t have to break! I’m sure the foolish man learned a good lesson and drew near to God and started to listen to God’s word and keeping it, but it didn’t have to go that way. The whole message is that, don’t be like the foolish man! You don’t have to. Your house doesn’t have to break. There is a better way, be wise and not foolish! It’s your choice before trouble knocks on your door. There are people who have been living in divine health for 30 years or so, because when sickness knocks on their house, it just doesn’t break.

I had a lot of time today, I’m sure you can tell. I’ll stop now. Anyway, I’m sharing these because I see you have a heart for God, I never intend to argue. I know where you’re standing because I’ve been there. There were just some things that didn’t let me rest, and I had to search them out.

God bless you for your service for the Lord!
László

Steven Coxhead said...

Thanks, László!

You ask: "But what if time runs out?"

That's the whole point of the day of resurrection. That will be the day of total healing for all of God's people.

Please note the truth about the healing leaves of the tree of life in Rev 22:3. According to Rev 2:7, that tree is located in paradise, and the right to eat from it will be given to those who overcome.

I don't want to take away from God's power to heal in the present. I believe in that. But no matter how much healing we might experience in this world, access to the tree of life and total healing on a personal level is reserved for the world to come.

Steven Coxhead said...

I'd like for Ryan to be healed before the day of resurrection. God knows that I pray for him constantly, believing that God can and will heal him. But if (for whatever reason) it doesn't happen during his lifetime on earth, I believe that God will fully restore him on the day of resurrection.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree. That’s our privilege as believers. If all else fails, we’re still safe. We’re literally saved. I have personal losses and unresolved issues as well, and I do take comfort in our ultimate healing too. In the same time I’m staying vigilant that this knowledge doesn’t take out the edge of my militancy toward sickness.

God bless!
László

Unknown said...

Do you really believe in Jesus? If your answer is "Yes" then you can heal your friend. The problem with looking to other anointed people is that there is a tendency that you will depend on him and not on Jesus. Didn't Jesus commanded the believers to heal the sick and not pray for the sick?

If you truly believe, Ryan will be healed. Praying for the sick is like this:

Jesus: Go and heal the sick.
You: Ok. Jesus, please heal my friend.
Jesus: Didn't I tell you to heal the sick in my name?
You: Yeah. That's why I am praying to you to heal my friend.
Jesus: When I say heal the sick, it is a command. You do it in my name.
You: Really?

If you are a believer, you command the sickness to go. And let your friend test it. If it doesn't go once, do it another time. Do it until you get results.

Some healing are instantaneous but some are not.

I myself is a testimony. I watched the Elijah Challenge video on how to heal. It's a 4-hour long video. I watched it and tried healing myself from a heart disease (mitral valve problem). That was 2015. I had a 2D echo last February and everything is now normal. Praise God!

If Pete says he won't do it because the Holy Spirit says it, then accept it. Probably the Holy Spirit wanted you to do it yourself.

I suggest you watched the Elijah Challenge teaching on healing and as an additional, you can search for Art Thomas - Effortless Healing and Healing is Easy.

God bless everyone! :)